hey guys.

does anyone know anything about c#? how long its been around? and why is it with the .Net framework? Any info would be great thanks.

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to be honest i know absolutely nothing about c#, but, as a guess i'd say its just c/c++ but based on the .net framework. if it is then it's the only variation of c thats limited to the windows platform. nasty!

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actually, after i posted this, i read up on it..lol, and it doesnt seem that bad. sure it is limited, but i dont think it needs to have the .net framewokr to work, but it is windows based since it is made by microsoft, its slightly different from c/c++. from what i read, it doesnt use class's, methods, etc very much, making it alot easier to use, when i looked at the code, i thought i was reading my java book...looked very similar. im gonna learn it, but right now, its not an essential. its a LOT like java tho. maybe major would like it

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I read a couple of months ago that with C you don't require files associated with the app. I.e. you have an exe and that is it. Is this true. Also I don't think we should boycott the .Net framework just yet. You never know in 5 years time vb6 could be redundant.

James

thats true, C and C++ dont need runtime files, or any files at that matter. making the perfect for virus writers. yet still very hard to learn. some people say vbs is alos a great language for writing virus's but other say otherwise. does anyone know vbs..???

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I don't know VBS and haven't got a clue where to start with C but in Sept I am going to start learning C++ so I'm glad they put this forum up it will be very usefull.

James

c/c++ isn't just good for virus writers, but also for cross platform developers. both microsoft and borland compilers create standalone exe's which are supported by windows, linux, and unix (and possible most non-commercial platforms). the compiled exe's are larger than vb exe's as all the required libraries etc... are compiled into he actual program, rather than referenced, but this does add stability and speed.

i don't use vbs, but from what i know of it it's pretty much an alternative to javascript, but not as well supported by most browsers. vba is more commonly used for viruses, as all you need to do to execute them is open a doc file in ms word, and the average user wouldn't even think to check it for macro's. i think the only viruses written in vbs would be those aimed at outlook users, as outlook will quite happily execute macro's as the message is rendered in the preview pane, which basically means if you have the preview pane on, and macro's enabled, you can't go anywhere near the file to delete it without it infecting you... hence outlook being known as 'virus friendly'.

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It's only a matter of time now before I get into C++ and I'm actually quite excited. I'll have to write a couple of tutorials for the A1Tutrials website on the basics. Might try Java as well.

It seems that no matter what you know in programming, once you've started you can't stop.

James

the c++ modules i've done are only equivilent to level 1 and 2 courses, but even at that you can do some pretty useful scripts with what you learn . i should have started a level3 course last spetember, but it was cancelled as only 4 of us wanted to join, and in the tutors own words "that wouldn't even pay for a pi** up". creating mfc apps (graphical) seems pretty difficult compared to vb's lovely forms and control events, but once i dust off the c++ icon and get back into it i'm sure i'll say different.

have fun anyway .

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If you are looking to do c++ soon, i cant say this enough. in my sig, go to gametutorial.com, they pretty much have a whole online book for begginners. all the tutorials you need are there. even go in the same oreder as my book. so give those a try, and then if you want to , by a book, because you will know so much more, and it will be easier going into it, even with a little knowledge.


Ric, i have yet to find something useful to write in c++, other than a virus...i havent written one, but all my book talks about is pretty much how to do all the work in command prompt. how am i too build good apps, in c++. Visual c++ and making mfc apps etc, can be quite hard. in c++, i know you can open a window, but thats about all i know. and.... i'd like to do some DX with it, but im not sure....

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